1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,200 Look at that, the whole hillside, everything cooked. 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,340 UFO crash bewilders locals. 3 00:00:06,340 --> 00:00:09,340 There could be something left over from that crash. 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:12,920 Do you think the government had something to hide? 5 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:14,220 Yes, I do. 6 00:00:14,220 --> 00:00:15,920 Próximately at 2 in the morning, 7 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:17,420 personnel of Forza Aria. 8 00:00:17,420 --> 00:00:20,960 They took the pictures and intimidated us. 9 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,060 The question of contact is something that governments 10 00:00:24,060 --> 00:00:26,500 around the world want to keep secret. 11 00:00:26,500 --> 00:00:29,000 It's almost like somebody wants these pictures to disappear. 12 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:31,660 You show this at the bar at school? 13 00:00:31,660 --> 00:00:35,300 This is too important for us to let that happen. 14 00:00:35,300 --> 00:00:38,000 There were six lights a mile wide. 15 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,080 We don't know everything that's out there, 16 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:43,240 but we've got to get to the bottom of this. 17 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,080 We've got to dig for the truth. 18 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,580 People deserve to know these answers. 19 00:00:49,580 --> 00:00:51,420 Go check this out. 20 00:00:51,420 --> 00:00:53,620 Holy s***. 21 00:00:53,620 --> 00:00:54,960 Whoa. 22 00:00:59,700 --> 00:01:03,000 There are so many sightings that always 23 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,500 conglomerate around volcanoes. 24 00:01:05,500 --> 00:01:08,800 Going back potentially centuries. 25 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:10,000 There's a pattern here. 26 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:11,380 There's no question about that. 27 00:01:11,380 --> 00:01:12,680 Yeah. 28 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,080 What is it about volcanoes that links to contact? 29 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:19,220 CIA veteran Mike Cole and conflict analyst Dr. Livingston 30 00:01:19,220 --> 00:01:22,960 dig into the latest findings from their worldwide investigation 31 00:01:22,960 --> 00:01:25,420 into possible extraterrestrial objects. 32 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,680 In both Chile and Mexico, they've uncovered an extremely 33 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,280 high number of UFO sightings clustered 34 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,420 around active volcanic sites. 35 00:01:33,420 --> 00:01:36,220 The data is all pushing us towards a correlation 36 00:01:36,220 --> 00:01:37,460 with volcanoes. 37 00:01:37,460 --> 00:01:39,760 And a lot of these sightings that we're seeing around 38 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:41,760 volcanoes, they're low altitude. 39 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,000 They're coming closer into contact with the Earth. 40 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:49,100 Let's do a search for UFOs low altitude and, of course, 41 00:01:49,100 --> 00:01:50,600 archaeology. 42 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:52,900 We're looking for a place where we can find 43 00:01:53,900 --> 00:01:55,900 and, of course, our key volcano. 44 00:01:55,900 --> 00:01:59,900 And let's run it for 25 years worldwide. 45 00:01:59,900 --> 00:02:03,900 The team utilizes CIA-developed link analysis software 46 00:02:03,900 --> 00:02:07,900 in search of a correlation between sightings, volcanoes, 47 00:02:07,900 --> 00:02:11,900 and unexplained aerial phenomena occurring at low altitudes. 48 00:02:11,900 --> 00:02:12,900 Look at this. 49 00:02:12,900 --> 00:02:14,900 A lot of our first hits are Phoenix. 50 00:02:14,900 --> 00:02:17,900 That's not a volcanic area, is it? 51 00:02:17,900 --> 00:02:20,900 Let me see something. 52 00:02:20,900 --> 00:02:24,900 There's three volcanic sites, two volcanic fields, 53 00:02:24,900 --> 00:02:27,900 and one volcanic crater less than 100 miles 54 00:02:27,900 --> 00:02:29,900 from the city center. 55 00:02:29,900 --> 00:02:31,900 This is probably the most number of eyewitnesses 56 00:02:31,900 --> 00:02:33,900 we've seen in any of the cases we've looked at so far. 57 00:02:33,900 --> 00:02:36,900 And these are all on the 13th of March, 58 00:02:36,900 --> 00:02:39,900 97, every single one. 59 00:02:39,900 --> 00:02:42,900 All at the same time, on the same day. 60 00:02:42,900 --> 00:02:43,900 Look at this. 61 00:02:43,900 --> 00:02:45,900 Five lights, V-shaped. 62 00:02:45,900 --> 00:02:48,900 Pull up one of these images. 63 00:02:48,900 --> 00:02:54,900 The sightings say that these lights were as low as 100 feet off the ground, 64 00:02:54,900 --> 00:02:58,900 stationary, for a period of 30 minutes or longer. 65 00:02:58,900 --> 00:03:00,900 This is an ideal case. 66 00:03:00,900 --> 00:03:02,900 It's less than 20 years old, 67 00:03:02,900 --> 00:03:06,900 and there are thousands of eyewitnesses. 68 00:03:08,900 --> 00:03:10,900 Some of these people are still around. 69 00:03:10,900 --> 00:03:11,900 We can talk to these people. 70 00:03:11,900 --> 00:03:13,900 Let's get Nick and Sarah on the ground in Phoenix 71 00:03:13,900 --> 00:03:16,900 and let's see what they can find out about this event. 72 00:03:19,900 --> 00:03:22,900 It's not about belief, it's about evidence. 73 00:03:22,900 --> 00:03:26,900 And I'm genuinely curious to see what we find out here in Phoenix. 74 00:03:26,900 --> 00:03:29,900 Nick Carnese, US Marine Intel Officer, 75 00:03:29,900 --> 00:03:32,900 and Sarah Crutus, Astrophysicist and Space Journalist. 76 00:03:32,900 --> 00:03:34,900 Land in Phoenix, Arizona, 77 00:03:34,900 --> 00:03:36,900 and head to the home of Dr. Lynn Kattay, 78 00:03:36,900 --> 00:03:39,900 a local who captured some of the only known video footage 79 00:03:39,900 --> 00:03:41,900 of mysteriously-discovered, 80 00:03:41,900 --> 00:03:44,900 and the most-known video footage of the world. 81 00:03:44,900 --> 00:03:47,900 A local who captured some of the only known video footage 82 00:03:47,900 --> 00:03:51,900 of mysterious lights in the sky on March 13, 1997. 83 00:03:53,900 --> 00:03:54,900 Welcome. 84 00:03:54,900 --> 00:03:55,900 Hi, man. 85 00:03:55,900 --> 00:03:57,900 I'm actually really excited to talk to Dr. Lynn. 86 00:03:57,900 --> 00:03:59,900 It's important to me to be able to see actual video evidence 87 00:03:59,900 --> 00:04:02,900 because relying on eyewitness accounts over time, 88 00:04:02,900 --> 00:04:04,900 they can remember things differently, things can change. 89 00:04:04,900 --> 00:04:06,900 But when we have video, we actually have a hard piece of evidence 90 00:04:06,900 --> 00:04:09,900 that we can analyze to better understand what happened. 91 00:04:09,900 --> 00:04:12,900 Dr. Lynn, your background was in medicine? 92 00:04:12,900 --> 00:04:14,900 My background is in medicine. 93 00:04:14,900 --> 00:04:17,900 I'm a medical doctor in internal medicine, 94 00:04:17,900 --> 00:04:21,900 and I had no knowledge at all of UFOs or unexplained phenomena 95 00:04:21,900 --> 00:04:25,900 until both my husband and I saw a very close sighting to our home 96 00:04:25,900 --> 00:04:31,900 in what is now hailed as the most witnessed sighting in modern history. 97 00:04:33,900 --> 00:04:37,900 In fact, I happened to capture one of the handful of videos 98 00:04:37,900 --> 00:04:41,900 from that night of these anomalous aerial phenomena. 99 00:04:41,900 --> 00:04:42,900 Let me show you. 100 00:04:42,900 --> 00:04:43,900 Yeah. 101 00:04:47,900 --> 00:04:49,900 So you're filming this from where? 102 00:04:49,900 --> 00:04:50,900 From our balcony. 103 00:04:50,900 --> 00:04:51,900 Okay. 104 00:04:51,900 --> 00:04:52,900 Wow. 105 00:04:52,900 --> 00:04:56,900 And when I initially saw it, there were six lights 106 00:04:56,900 --> 00:04:59,900 a mile wide in the formation. 107 00:05:00,900 --> 00:05:02,900 By the time I got my camera from the corner of the room 108 00:05:02,900 --> 00:05:05,900 and got out there in focus, there were three. 109 00:05:08,900 --> 00:05:09,900 Wow. 110 00:05:09,900 --> 00:05:12,900 These were huge balls of light. 111 00:05:12,900 --> 00:05:14,900 Everything else out there glared. 112 00:05:14,900 --> 00:05:15,900 These did not. 113 00:05:15,900 --> 00:05:19,900 And the light within each orb was self-contained. 114 00:05:19,900 --> 00:05:20,900 Wow. 115 00:05:21,900 --> 00:05:24,900 Do you believe that they were all part of the same object, 116 00:05:24,900 --> 00:05:27,900 or do you think they're independent of one another? 117 00:05:27,900 --> 00:05:30,900 Just looking at the video itself and what I saw, 118 00:05:30,900 --> 00:05:33,900 they seemed to be attached to something. 119 00:05:33,900 --> 00:05:36,900 But I couldn't quite see what it was attached to. 120 00:05:36,900 --> 00:05:38,900 How many people reported seeing this? 121 00:05:38,900 --> 00:05:40,900 Over 10,000 people. 122 00:05:40,900 --> 00:05:41,900 Wow. 123 00:05:41,900 --> 00:05:42,900 10,000. 124 00:05:42,900 --> 00:05:43,900 Whoa. 125 00:05:43,900 --> 00:05:46,900 And these sightings continued. 126 00:05:46,900 --> 00:05:47,900 How many? 127 00:05:47,900 --> 00:05:48,900 Six. 128 00:05:48,900 --> 00:05:52,900 Six sightings in the Phoenix area in the same location. 129 00:05:52,900 --> 00:05:57,900 97, 98, 2001, 2002, 2003. 130 00:05:57,900 --> 00:05:59,900 For years, they have continued. 131 00:05:59,900 --> 00:06:01,900 This is one of multiple sightings that she's seen 132 00:06:01,900 --> 00:06:03,900 over the years here in Phoenix. 133 00:06:03,900 --> 00:06:06,900 What sparks my curiosity is why are they coming back 134 00:06:06,900 --> 00:06:09,900 to the same area, the same spot in Phoenix? 135 00:06:09,900 --> 00:06:12,900 So how long until the government addressed 136 00:06:12,900 --> 00:06:13,900 what everyone witnessed? 137 00:06:13,900 --> 00:06:14,900 Nothing. 138 00:06:14,900 --> 00:06:17,900 From the military or government. 139 00:06:17,900 --> 00:06:21,900 So I called every military base to see what they knew 140 00:06:21,900 --> 00:06:24,900 and talk to as high up as I could. 141 00:06:24,900 --> 00:06:26,900 They had no idea what it was. 142 00:06:26,900 --> 00:06:30,900 But I get a call a month later from one of the heads of PR 143 00:06:30,900 --> 00:06:32,900 at the Air National Guard. 144 00:06:32,900 --> 00:06:36,900 She says the Air National Guard was in town sending off flares, 145 00:06:36,900 --> 00:06:38,900 military illumination flares. 146 00:06:38,900 --> 00:06:40,900 The ground illumination flares that I've used, 147 00:06:40,900 --> 00:06:42,900 they move, they're erratic, they flicker. 148 00:06:42,900 --> 00:06:43,900 I mean, it's combustion, right? 149 00:06:43,900 --> 00:06:45,900 It's like burning phosphorus or whatever chemical. 150 00:06:45,900 --> 00:06:46,900 Exactly. 151 00:06:46,900 --> 00:06:47,900 There's always exercises. 152 00:06:47,900 --> 00:06:49,900 There's flares being sent off. 153 00:06:49,900 --> 00:06:51,900 I see them from our vantage point. 154 00:06:51,900 --> 00:06:57,900 And very distinct was definitely not flares. 155 00:06:57,900 --> 00:07:00,900 The Air National Guard explanation doesn't check out for me. 156 00:07:00,900 --> 00:07:02,900 All the flares I'm familiar with looking in the video 157 00:07:02,900 --> 00:07:04,900 doesn't look like anything I've witnessed in the past. 158 00:07:04,900 --> 00:07:06,900 I think something else was going on. 159 00:07:06,900 --> 00:07:07,900 But the question is, what is it? 160 00:07:07,900 --> 00:07:10,900 I need to talk to somebody within the local government. 161 00:07:19,900 --> 00:07:20,900 All right. 162 00:07:20,900 --> 00:07:22,900 We are almost there. 163 00:07:22,900 --> 00:07:25,900 Nick and Sarah head to the Phoenix suburbs 164 00:07:25,900 --> 00:07:29,900 where they've arranged a meeting with a former government insider 165 00:07:29,900 --> 00:07:32,900 who served during the time of the Phoenix Lights incident. 166 00:07:32,900 --> 00:07:34,900 Government evidence would be so significant. 167 00:07:34,900 --> 00:07:36,900 We're meeting with former city councilwoman 168 00:07:36,900 --> 00:07:39,900 and former vice mayor Francis Barwood. 169 00:07:39,900 --> 00:07:40,900 Hi, Francis. 170 00:07:40,900 --> 00:07:41,900 Hi, dear. 171 00:07:41,900 --> 00:07:42,900 I want to get another perspective on all of this 172 00:07:42,900 --> 00:07:46,900 and find out exactly what could be going on in Phoenix. 173 00:07:46,900 --> 00:07:47,900 All right. 174 00:07:47,900 --> 00:07:49,900 So Francis, we're just interested in hearing your opinion 175 00:07:49,900 --> 00:07:53,900 of what happened back in the 1990s with the Phoenix Lights. 176 00:07:53,900 --> 00:07:57,900 Actually, that evening, I had a lead meeting 177 00:07:57,900 --> 00:07:59,900 and was stopped by a reporter. 178 00:07:59,900 --> 00:08:03,900 She asked me if I knew about this object that flew over Phoenix 179 00:08:03,900 --> 00:08:06,900 and I said, no, I hadn't heard anything about it. 180 00:08:06,900 --> 00:08:08,900 And she said, they asked the mayor, he said, 181 00:08:08,900 --> 00:08:13,900 there's no UFOs over Phoenix and that's all he would tell him. 182 00:08:13,900 --> 00:08:15,900 And so I thought, well, that's kind of weird, you know, 183 00:08:15,900 --> 00:08:18,900 something flew over Phoenix to me that's a hazard. 184 00:08:18,900 --> 00:08:20,900 Could have hit a building or hit the wires. 185 00:08:20,900 --> 00:08:22,900 So I said, okay, well, the Tuesday meeting, 186 00:08:22,900 --> 00:08:26,900 I went in and asked about this object that flew over Phoenix 187 00:08:26,900 --> 00:08:29,900 and everybody kind of stopped and looked at me. 188 00:08:29,900 --> 00:08:32,900 After the meeting, a deputy city manager came up to me 189 00:08:32,900 --> 00:08:35,900 and said, you shouldn't have brought that up. 190 00:08:35,900 --> 00:08:38,900 He said the mayor did not want anybody to talk about it. 191 00:08:38,900 --> 00:08:39,900 Really? 192 00:08:39,900 --> 00:08:40,900 Yes. 193 00:08:40,900 --> 00:08:42,900 Then the interesting stuff happened. 194 00:08:42,900 --> 00:08:46,900 There was one man who called me and he took a video of it. 195 00:08:46,900 --> 00:08:51,900 So about two weeks later, he calls me up and he said, 196 00:08:51,900 --> 00:08:53,900 so what did you think of the video? 197 00:08:53,900 --> 00:08:55,900 I said, I never got the video. 198 00:08:55,900 --> 00:08:58,900 He goes, well, I gave it to your assistants. 199 00:08:58,900 --> 00:09:00,900 Two men came from your office. 200 00:09:00,900 --> 00:09:03,900 I said, I don't have any men working in my office. 201 00:09:03,900 --> 00:09:07,900 He said, they asked for the video of what I taped that night. 202 00:09:07,900 --> 00:09:11,900 So I'm thinking, okay, how would they know that he called me? 203 00:09:11,900 --> 00:09:15,900 So we called the private investigator and he goes, 204 00:09:15,900 --> 00:09:17,900 your phone is tapped from headquarters. 205 00:09:17,900 --> 00:09:20,900 And he goes, that's always government. 206 00:09:20,900 --> 00:09:22,900 It was kind of terrified. 207 00:09:22,900 --> 00:09:24,900 If what Francis is telling us is true, 208 00:09:24,900 --> 00:09:27,900 it does appear that a cover-up is going on. 209 00:09:27,900 --> 00:09:30,900 Next question is, why would the government or whoever do this? 210 00:09:30,900 --> 00:09:32,900 Everything about this was so strange. 211 00:09:32,900 --> 00:09:36,900 And the next thing, of course, was the governor's press conference. 212 00:09:36,900 --> 00:09:37,900 And do you want to see? 213 00:09:37,900 --> 00:09:38,900 Yeah. 214 00:09:38,900 --> 00:09:41,900 Three months after the Phoenix lights incident, 215 00:09:41,900 --> 00:09:45,900 the governor of Arizona, Fife Simington, held a press conference. 216 00:09:45,900 --> 00:09:47,900 Simington announced a break in the case. 217 00:09:47,900 --> 00:09:51,900 I suggested that it was time to end months of speculation on the question 218 00:09:51,900 --> 00:09:54,900 and investigate the matter once and for all to clear it up. 219 00:09:54,900 --> 00:09:57,900 He said DPS has arrested a suspect. 220 00:09:57,900 --> 00:10:00,900 Now this just goes to show that you guys are entirely too serious. 221 00:10:02,900 --> 00:10:09,900 This was orchestrated to kind of make it laughable. 222 00:10:09,900 --> 00:10:12,900 Anybody that wants to find out what this was, 223 00:10:12,900 --> 00:10:14,900 oh, you know, you're crazy. 224 00:10:14,900 --> 00:10:17,900 I thought, you know, this is real interesting. 225 00:10:17,900 --> 00:10:20,900 First, it's the mayor who won't talk about it. 226 00:10:20,900 --> 00:10:24,900 Then it's the governor who made a joke and he's not a person to joke. 227 00:10:24,900 --> 00:10:31,900 So then I wrote a letter to Senator McCain who totally ignored it. 228 00:10:31,900 --> 00:10:38,900 And the only thing that I can think is who above them said, 229 00:10:38,900 --> 00:10:40,900 you can't talk about this. 230 00:10:41,900 --> 00:10:44,900 I don't know what everybody's so afraid of. 231 00:10:57,900 --> 00:11:00,900 Barwood believes that she's being silenced here, right? 232 00:11:00,900 --> 00:11:02,900 Her phones are tapped. 233 00:11:02,900 --> 00:11:04,900 Information is being suppressed. 234 00:11:04,900 --> 00:11:07,900 Is Barwood paranoid, delusional? 235 00:11:07,900 --> 00:11:12,900 Or is she actually onto a conspiracy that has to do with the cover-up of the Phoenix lights? 236 00:11:12,900 --> 00:11:15,900 And if so, what is being covered up and who's ordered it? 237 00:11:15,900 --> 00:11:19,900 Right. But she is implicating this Fife-Simington, this governor. 238 00:11:19,900 --> 00:11:22,900 What do we know about Fife-Simington? 239 00:11:22,900 --> 00:11:25,900 He spent his educational years at Harvard University 240 00:11:25,900 --> 00:11:28,900 before joining the USAF, the United States Air Force, 241 00:11:28,900 --> 00:11:30,900 where he earned a bronze star and rose to captain. 242 00:11:30,900 --> 00:11:34,900 He served in the Air Force for five years before running for the governor's office in 1990. 243 00:11:34,900 --> 00:11:37,900 He's got a very credible record. 244 00:11:37,900 --> 00:11:42,900 He does. Here's an interview with him. This is ten years afterwards. 245 00:11:42,900 --> 00:11:48,900 March 13, 1997, lights over Phoenix. What did you see? 246 00:11:48,900 --> 00:11:53,900 Well, I saw a huge craft just kind of come right over a Squall Peak. 247 00:11:53,900 --> 00:11:55,900 It's nothing like anything I've ever seen. 248 00:11:55,900 --> 00:11:57,900 And you're an Air Force guy? 249 00:11:57,900 --> 00:11:58,900 Yeah, yeah, and a pilot. 250 00:11:58,900 --> 00:12:02,900 Do you believe it was something from the U.S. government that they were kind of flying around? 251 00:12:02,900 --> 00:12:08,900 No, this was totally different. I think this was technologically far advanced. 252 00:12:10,900 --> 00:12:15,900 That is the exact opposite of what he said in that press conference. 253 00:12:16,900 --> 00:12:17,900 Complete 180. 254 00:12:17,900 --> 00:12:21,900 You have the governor of Arizona saying there's nothing to the Phoenix Lights case. 255 00:12:21,900 --> 00:12:27,900 Then he retires and says not only that the Phoenix Lights was something not of this Earth, 256 00:12:27,900 --> 00:12:30,900 but that he personally witnessed it. 257 00:12:30,900 --> 00:12:34,900 Unquestionably, it was a UFO, which means unidentified flying object. 258 00:12:34,900 --> 00:12:38,900 Was Simonton ordered by someone to say what he said? 259 00:12:38,900 --> 00:12:42,900 Who's the higher authority when you're the governor of the state of Arizona? 260 00:12:42,900 --> 00:12:44,900 You have to be the federal government. 261 00:12:44,900 --> 00:12:48,900 The Phoenix Lights 262 00:12:48,900 --> 00:12:52,900 The Phoenix Lights 263 00:12:52,900 --> 00:12:54,900 The Phoenix Lights 264 00:12:54,900 --> 00:12:59,900 The Phoenix Lights 265 00:12:59,900 --> 00:13:03,900 Do you believe it was something from the U.S. government that they were kind of flying around? 266 00:13:03,900 --> 00:13:06,900 I think this was technologically far advanced. 267 00:13:06,900 --> 00:13:10,900 That is the exact opposite of what he said in that press conference. 268 00:13:10,900 --> 00:13:11,900 Complete 180. 269 00:13:11,900 --> 00:13:16,900 Former CIA investigator Mike Cole and conflict analyst Dr. Livingston 270 00:13:16,900 --> 00:13:23,900 review a video of Arizona governor Fife Simington contradicting his 1997 assessment of the Phoenix Lights incident. 271 00:13:23,900 --> 00:13:27,900 Unquestionably, it was a UFO, which means unidentified flying object. 272 00:13:27,900 --> 00:13:31,900 Was Simonton ordered by someone to say what he said? 273 00:13:31,900 --> 00:13:35,900 Does this even happen in government? You have this kind of conspiracies like this? 274 00:13:35,900 --> 00:13:39,900 The federal government absolutely engages in what we call denial and deception. 275 00:13:39,900 --> 00:13:42,900 That is a tradecraft term that you'll hear in the intelligence community. 276 00:13:42,900 --> 00:13:44,900 This information is a piece of that. 277 00:13:44,900 --> 00:13:47,900 Clendestine operations and keeping secrets is a piece of that. 278 00:13:47,900 --> 00:13:51,900 So this thing could have come from the federal government. 279 00:13:51,900 --> 00:13:56,900 The evidence certainly raises the possibility that the government was covering up something in Phoenix in 1997. 280 00:13:56,900 --> 00:14:03,900 What's even more amazing to me is that people report seeing these same lights returning to Phoenix again and again over the years. 281 00:14:03,900 --> 00:14:07,900 These sightings continued in the same location for years. 282 00:14:07,900 --> 00:14:10,900 Let's look at the history of UFO activity in the Phoenix area. 283 00:14:10,900 --> 00:14:11,900 Okay. 284 00:14:14,900 --> 00:14:21,900 This is the number two city in the United States of America for number of sightings. 285 00:14:21,900 --> 00:14:25,900 Since the year 2000, they've been averaging 178 sightings a year. 286 00:14:25,900 --> 00:14:27,900 That's almost one every other day. 287 00:14:27,900 --> 00:14:32,900 If people are trying to cover this up, our government, there's going to be a paper trail of that. 288 00:14:32,900 --> 00:14:36,900 Does declassified information give us more to go on there? 289 00:14:36,900 --> 00:14:44,900 Let's run an LAS and let's do a search on Phoenix UFO sightings documents all time. 290 00:14:44,900 --> 00:14:45,900 Okay. 291 00:14:51,900 --> 00:14:53,900 All right. What do we got? 292 00:14:53,900 --> 00:14:56,900 When we look at that 85% relevancy center there. 293 00:14:56,900 --> 00:14:59,900 Mm-hmm. July 1947. 294 00:14:59,900 --> 00:15:00,900 All right. 295 00:15:00,900 --> 00:15:02,900 This is an Air Force document. 296 00:15:02,900 --> 00:15:08,900 Pictures taken by a Mr. William Rhodes of Phoenix of unidentifiable objects. 297 00:15:08,900 --> 00:15:14,900 Subject objects flew at unconceivable speeds making three circles in the vicinity of Mr. Rhodes's home. 298 00:15:14,900 --> 00:15:19,900 The agent obtained pictures from the managing editor of the Arizona Republic newspaper. 299 00:15:19,900 --> 00:15:26,900 Complete information relative to subject photographs may be obtained from the director of intelligence of the headquarters of the fourth Air Force. 300 00:15:26,900 --> 00:15:32,900 So these photographs have wound up in the custody of the director of intelligence for fourth Air Force. 301 00:15:32,900 --> 00:15:39,900 You know, one thing's for sure. Air Force intelligence took these pictures seriously enough that they took custody of them. 302 00:15:39,900 --> 00:15:46,900 So, Rhodes takes these pictures, brings it into a newspaper. One of them is printed. 303 00:15:46,900 --> 00:15:50,900 So here's the photo. You see there's almost like a cutaway in it, right? 304 00:15:50,900 --> 00:15:55,900 So the most curious feature of this picture to me is the whiteness in the middle of the spack. 305 00:15:55,900 --> 00:15:57,900 This? Yeah. Yeah. 306 00:15:57,900 --> 00:16:01,900 So is that reflectivity of an object? Or perforation. 307 00:16:01,900 --> 00:16:06,900 And something else, Mike. Look at the date in which the pictures were taken. 308 00:16:06,900 --> 00:16:12,900 The 7th of July, 1947. We have seen that date before. That's the date of Roswell. 309 00:16:14,900 --> 00:16:23,900 Early July of 1947 in Roswell, New Mexico, metal from a strange object is found in the desert and turned over to the local Air Force base. 310 00:16:23,900 --> 00:16:30,900 On July 8th, 1947, the Army issues a press release announcing a flying disc has been recovered in the desert, 311 00:16:30,900 --> 00:16:35,900 igniting what would become the most talked about UFO incident in history. 312 00:16:35,900 --> 00:16:46,900 So the same day that the newspaper publishes William Rhodes' image, 500 miles away, the Army makes Roswell public. 313 00:16:46,900 --> 00:16:54,900 How weird would it be if there was another event, possibly a more significant event, just 500 miles away that everybody missed? 314 00:16:54,900 --> 00:17:05,900 If the Air Force had people whose job it was to spread disinformation, is it possible that there is a government cover up occurring all the way back in 1947? 315 00:17:05,900 --> 00:17:11,900 Could this 1947 incident provide some clue to why Phoenix is so significant? 316 00:17:11,900 --> 00:17:14,900 If William Rhodes is alive, he's the guy we need to talk to. 317 00:17:14,900 --> 00:17:16,900 We gotta find this guy. 318 00:17:25,900 --> 00:17:27,900 Is there any contact information? 319 00:17:27,900 --> 00:17:35,900 I'm gonna have a look. Bill Morris. We've got an address here. This guy seems to be the closest link to William Rhodes. 320 00:17:35,900 --> 00:17:41,900 On the ground in Gilbert, Arizona, Nick and Sarah secure a meeting with a family friend of William Rhodes. 321 00:17:41,900 --> 00:17:42,900 Is it this house? 322 00:17:42,900 --> 00:17:43,900 That's the one on the left. 323 00:17:43,900 --> 00:17:45,900 I can't believe he's agreed to speak to us. 324 00:17:45,900 --> 00:17:54,900 Unfortunately, William Rhodes passed away a number of years ago, but we were able to track down a close family friend, Bill Morris, who's agreed to share with us what he knows about the event. 325 00:17:54,900 --> 00:17:58,900 William witnessed. Hopefully we're gonna find something that relates to our investigation. 326 00:18:01,900 --> 00:18:05,900 Bill, did William share any details of what he saw back in 1947? 327 00:18:05,900 --> 00:18:08,900 Not a lot of details. I just know the basics. 328 00:18:08,900 --> 00:18:12,900 He was walking from the house to his laboratory, which was on the property. 329 00:18:12,900 --> 00:18:15,900 And shapes in the sky that were not aircraft. 330 00:18:15,900 --> 00:18:17,900 So they were multiple? It wasn't just one? 331 00:18:17,900 --> 00:18:18,900 Yeah, two. 332 00:18:18,900 --> 00:18:19,900 Oh, wow. Okay. 333 00:18:19,900 --> 00:18:21,900 They were moving and they were shaped like boomerangs. 334 00:18:21,900 --> 00:18:22,900 Okay. 335 00:18:22,900 --> 00:18:24,900 Boomerangs? Did anyone else witness what he saw? 336 00:18:24,900 --> 00:18:29,900 No, not that I know of, but let me explain a little bit about where we're talking about. 337 00:18:29,900 --> 00:18:33,900 He's on 14th Street, which now is in the center of Phoenix. 338 00:18:33,900 --> 00:18:35,900 In 1947, it was in the middle of nowhere. 339 00:18:35,900 --> 00:18:38,900 There was nothing around. There were no houses and not very many people. 340 00:18:38,900 --> 00:18:41,900 It's not unbelievable that nobody else reported it. 341 00:18:41,900 --> 00:18:42,900 Okay. 342 00:18:42,900 --> 00:18:44,900 And he went and got his camera and took a couple pictures of it. 343 00:18:44,900 --> 00:18:48,900 Did he ever tell you about what he thought it might be? 344 00:18:48,900 --> 00:18:50,900 And not identify the flying object. That's it. 345 00:18:50,900 --> 00:18:53,900 He wasn't really trying to speculate or make something out of it. 346 00:18:53,900 --> 00:18:54,900 You witnessed these objects? 347 00:18:54,900 --> 00:18:55,900 Yes. 348 00:18:55,900 --> 00:18:58,900 And then did he go to the newspaper? Did the newspaper come to him? 349 00:18:58,900 --> 00:19:00,900 I'm not sure how would that happen. 350 00:19:00,900 --> 00:19:01,900 Okay. 351 00:19:01,900 --> 00:19:04,900 He reported it somewhere and the newspaper's got a hold of it. 352 00:19:04,900 --> 00:19:07,900 Soon after the FBI came and interviewed everybody around him. 353 00:19:07,900 --> 00:19:08,900 Seriously? 354 00:19:08,900 --> 00:19:09,900 Yeah. 355 00:19:09,900 --> 00:19:12,900 Bill was a brilliant scientist and really frosted him. 356 00:19:12,900 --> 00:19:18,900 It was that they put words in the people's mouths about the crazy guy that next door 357 00:19:18,900 --> 00:19:21,900 and was living off his wife's money and this, that and the other. 358 00:19:21,900 --> 00:19:25,900 So what you're saying is that the government was discrediting William within the community? 359 00:19:25,900 --> 00:19:27,900 Yes, intentionally. 360 00:19:27,900 --> 00:19:31,900 The FBI damaged his reputation. They moved to discredit him. 361 00:19:31,900 --> 00:19:33,900 What did he see that was so important? 362 00:19:33,900 --> 00:19:35,900 What about the original photograph? 363 00:19:35,900 --> 00:19:37,900 The government took those. 364 00:19:37,900 --> 00:19:41,900 Really? Do you think the government at the time potentially had something to hide? 365 00:19:41,900 --> 00:19:43,900 Yes, I do. 366 00:19:43,900 --> 00:19:48,900 I believe he saw something he wasn't supposed to see until they went after his character. 367 00:19:48,900 --> 00:19:51,900 I wish we could see those photographs, don't you? 368 00:19:51,900 --> 00:19:53,900 Aaron. 369 00:19:53,900 --> 00:19:57,900 After Bill died, I did hold on to some of his paperwork. 370 00:19:57,900 --> 00:20:00,900 His lab was quite interesting. 371 00:20:00,900 --> 00:20:04,900 I went through, I saved what I could and I do have it out in back if you'd like to go. 372 00:20:04,900 --> 00:20:05,900 Yeah, would love to. 373 00:20:05,900 --> 00:20:06,900 Sure. 374 00:20:06,900 --> 00:20:12,900 Bill actually has some of William's stuff that he was able to collect from his old laboratory. 375 00:20:12,900 --> 00:20:15,900 Right this way, he was silenced. 376 00:20:15,900 --> 00:20:17,900 But hopefully he left something behind. 377 00:20:17,900 --> 00:20:23,900 Hopefully he has some stuff that might have clues from what he allegedly saw back in 1947. 378 00:20:23,900 --> 00:20:26,900 So we can truly figure out what happened here. 379 00:20:36,900 --> 00:20:43,900 Oh wow, we've got a lot of stuff, aren't you? 380 00:20:43,900 --> 00:20:46,900 We'll leave you to it, have at it, be my guest. 381 00:20:46,900 --> 00:20:47,900 Thank you. 382 00:20:47,900 --> 00:20:55,900 Nick and Sarah gain access to the personal effects of William Rhodes, who is witness to a UFO near Phoenix in 1947. 383 00:20:55,900 --> 00:20:58,900 It's found a box that says Rhodes on it. 384 00:20:58,900 --> 00:21:04,900 William Rhodes saw the thing in the sky back in 47 and he took the photographic evidence to the newspaper as a result. 385 00:21:04,900 --> 00:21:08,900 The FBI took William's photographs and his negatives and never gave it back to him. 386 00:21:08,900 --> 00:21:14,900 But hopefully his boxes from his old lab contains clues to what he actually saw back in 1947. 387 00:21:14,900 --> 00:21:17,900 I love these science fiction magazines. 388 00:21:17,900 --> 00:21:20,900 The Star of the Space Age, like the retrofuturistic stuff. 389 00:21:20,900 --> 00:21:22,900 Look at this, this is a patent filed May 27th, 1953. 390 00:21:22,900 --> 00:21:25,900 Oh cool, for static electric generators. 391 00:21:25,900 --> 00:21:30,900 I mean just, could you, having the expertise, like one day you're designing an oscillator you saw, 392 00:21:30,900 --> 00:21:33,900 the next day you're designing a multi-cell oxy hydrogen generator. 393 00:21:33,900 --> 00:21:35,900 This was a man who was an innovator. 394 00:21:35,900 --> 00:21:37,900 He sure has a lot of patents. 395 00:21:37,900 --> 00:21:40,900 There's about 26 separate patents that he filed. 396 00:21:40,900 --> 00:21:45,900 William Rhodes, very technical, logically minded individual, very smart man. 397 00:21:45,900 --> 00:21:47,900 That's the second, oh really? 398 00:21:47,900 --> 00:21:49,900 Yeah, it says Rhodes on it, that's the second box. 399 00:21:49,900 --> 00:21:51,900 Let's get this open. 400 00:21:53,900 --> 00:21:54,900 Oh wow, look at that. 401 00:21:54,900 --> 00:21:55,900 Super 8. 402 00:21:59,900 --> 00:22:01,900 Oh look at this, mystery, what is it? 403 00:22:01,900 --> 00:22:03,900 Photographed over Phoenix. 404 00:22:03,900 --> 00:22:07,900 One object twice snapped at dusk, is it circled north of Phoenix, William Abert. 405 00:22:07,900 --> 00:22:10,900 And so this is the photograph that he said that they seized. 406 00:22:13,900 --> 00:22:16,900 Look at this, did UFO crash in Valley in 47? 407 00:22:16,900 --> 00:22:17,900 He's in the photograph. 408 00:22:17,900 --> 00:22:18,900 I don't know, let's see that. 409 00:22:18,900 --> 00:22:20,900 Oh, the graves. 410 00:22:20,900 --> 00:22:28,900 Selman Graves says he saw a large airship dome shaped thing after it landed on the hill in the background. 411 00:22:28,900 --> 00:22:29,900 Who's Selman Graves? 412 00:22:29,900 --> 00:22:30,900 I don't know. 413 00:22:30,900 --> 00:22:32,900 It's a VHS tape. 414 00:22:32,900 --> 00:22:35,900 Look at that, Graves, October 1947. 415 00:22:35,900 --> 00:22:38,900 And this has some lat-longs with it. 416 00:22:38,900 --> 00:22:39,900 Was that his coordinates? 417 00:22:39,900 --> 00:22:41,900 Yeah, these are latitude longitude. 418 00:22:46,900 --> 00:22:50,900 Because what we saw was unusual, I really retain the memory of that. 419 00:22:50,900 --> 00:22:51,900 I recognize him. 420 00:22:51,900 --> 00:22:52,900 Yeah. 421 00:22:52,900 --> 00:22:54,900 That's the guy from the article. 422 00:22:54,900 --> 00:22:55,900 What is it? 423 00:22:55,900 --> 00:22:58,900 Selman Graves, Graves on the video, it's the same person. 424 00:22:58,900 --> 00:23:02,900 We had no idea what we were looking at. 425 00:23:02,900 --> 00:23:05,900 We had arrived there at about 10.30 in the morning. 426 00:23:05,900 --> 00:23:08,900 The object was large, it was approximately 36 feet. 427 00:23:08,900 --> 00:23:15,900 The first thing that we saw was the Air Force sure didn't fly this thing here. 428 00:23:15,900 --> 00:23:25,900 We didn't leave there at about 10.30 at night because there were some other men that came on the scene that detained us with various questions and so forth. 429 00:23:25,900 --> 00:23:29,900 What's he talking about? Is it a UFO crash? 430 00:23:29,900 --> 00:23:35,900 Describe the emulgo in operation that they then came across later. 431 00:23:35,900 --> 00:23:37,900 Is William Rhodes the one behind that camera? 432 00:23:37,900 --> 00:23:38,900 Who knows? 433 00:23:38,900 --> 00:23:39,900 Yeah, I don't know. 434 00:23:39,900 --> 00:23:45,900 There was a state machinery, it wasn't sharp, it was operating the dozer. 435 00:23:45,900 --> 00:23:53,900 He had ground breaking spikes in the back and we would lift the rear of the machine and drag back and forth. 436 00:23:53,900 --> 00:23:59,900 And I said, how long has it been that you've been operating here? 437 00:23:59,900 --> 00:24:01,900 And he said, yeah, it appears. 438 00:24:01,900 --> 00:24:05,900 And I said, well, that's all I had because there's very little nothing that's going on here. 439 00:24:05,900 --> 00:24:08,900 And he laughed and said, yes, you're right. 440 00:24:08,900 --> 00:24:16,900 As the tape rolls on, it's becoming clear to me that this gentleman is describing what he believes to be the cover up of a UFO crash site. 441 00:24:16,900 --> 00:24:17,900 This is unreal. 442 00:24:17,900 --> 00:24:22,900 I thought we were investigating another siding, but this guy is describing actually seeing the object in the dirt 443 00:24:22,900 --> 00:24:26,900 and then coming back and seeing if bulldozer working the exact same site. 444 00:24:26,900 --> 00:24:28,900 Well, I appreciate your time today. 445 00:24:28,900 --> 00:24:30,900 So he's talking about a crash site. 446 00:24:30,900 --> 00:24:32,900 He's talking about a location on this video. 447 00:24:32,900 --> 00:24:35,900 They're actually, we have a lat long, so we have coordinates here. 448 00:24:35,900 --> 00:24:38,900 And these coordinates are related to something in the video. 449 00:24:38,900 --> 00:24:39,900 It's just a matter of what. 450 00:24:39,900 --> 00:24:43,900 I mean, the logical assumption would be reference the crash site that he's talking about. 451 00:24:43,900 --> 00:24:48,900 So it's clear that the man on the videotape believes that he witnessed the cover up of a UFO crash site. 452 00:24:48,900 --> 00:24:51,900 William Rhodes, he was conducting an investigation about the UFOs. 453 00:24:51,900 --> 00:24:53,900 This was a man on a mission. 454 00:24:53,900 --> 00:24:54,900 Can you get those up on your phone? 455 00:24:54,900 --> 00:24:57,900 Now we have these coordinates that are attached to the video. 456 00:24:57,900 --> 00:25:00,900 Now is this where William believes the crash occurred? 457 00:25:00,900 --> 00:25:02,900 Did the man in the video give him coordinates? 458 00:25:02,900 --> 00:25:03,900 We don't know. 459 00:25:03,900 --> 00:25:04,900 These coordinates aren't far. 460 00:25:04,900 --> 00:25:06,900 I mean, they're just right out of town in the desert. 461 00:25:06,900 --> 00:25:10,900 I don't know what's there, but it makes sense for us to go out and see what we can find. 462 00:25:22,900 --> 00:25:29,900 To have these coordinates that are decades old could just be a housing development or like a pile of dirt. 463 00:25:35,900 --> 00:25:41,900 Eight miles outside the city center, Nick and Sarah arrive at an expansive clearing in the desert. 464 00:25:42,900 --> 00:25:43,900 So this is it. 465 00:25:43,900 --> 00:25:46,900 This is where the coordinates have taken us. 466 00:25:46,900 --> 00:25:48,900 Not exactly much here, is there? 467 00:25:48,900 --> 00:25:49,900 Not really. 468 00:25:49,900 --> 00:25:51,900 You want to park and get out and see if we can find anything? 469 00:25:55,900 --> 00:25:56,900 Are you sure this is the right spot? 470 00:25:56,900 --> 00:25:58,900 Right where we're supposed to be. 471 00:25:58,900 --> 00:26:01,900 I just don't understand why we would have coordinates to piece of desert. 472 00:26:03,900 --> 00:26:07,900 I think we should at least do like a lap of the area to see if we can find anything. 473 00:26:07,900 --> 00:26:08,900 Yeah. 474 00:26:14,900 --> 00:26:15,900 I haven't seen anything. 475 00:26:15,900 --> 00:26:21,900 There's absolutely nothing relating to this investigation so far that we can see at these exact coordinates. 476 00:26:21,900 --> 00:26:26,900 Part of me thinks, you know, this was 1947, more than half a century ago. 477 00:26:26,900 --> 00:26:29,900 Should we be that surprised that we're not actually seeing anything? 478 00:26:32,900 --> 00:26:33,900 Hey, Sarah. 479 00:26:33,900 --> 00:26:34,900 Hey. 480 00:26:34,900 --> 00:26:35,900 Come check this out. 481 00:26:42,900 --> 00:26:43,900 Why would there be a fence here? 482 00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:47,900 Let's keep going, Nick. 483 00:26:52,900 --> 00:26:53,900 Look out. 484 00:26:57,900 --> 00:26:58,900 This is an official fence. 485 00:26:58,900 --> 00:27:00,900 This is part of the local government. 486 00:27:01,900 --> 00:27:03,900 So we keep on going, see what's back here. 487 00:27:03,900 --> 00:27:16,900 I think we need to get out here as quickly as possible. 488 00:27:16,900 --> 00:27:17,900 Yeah, let's keep pushing. 489 00:27:20,900 --> 00:27:22,900 Why would there be a fence in the middle of nowhere? 490 00:27:25,900 --> 00:27:26,900 Keep people away from there. 491 00:27:34,900 --> 00:27:35,900 Hey, Sarah. 492 00:27:35,900 --> 00:27:36,900 Hey. 493 00:27:36,900 --> 00:27:37,900 Come check this out. 494 00:27:39,900 --> 00:27:40,900 See what's back here. 495 00:27:41,900 --> 00:27:57,900 As the sun rises, Nick and Sarah are investigating a mysterious UFO sighting above Phoenix, Arizona that occurred on July 7, 1947, around the same time as the infamous Roswell incident. 496 00:27:58,900 --> 00:28:07,900 Here in Phoenix, they have uncovered an eyewitness who claims to have seen officials clearing up debris from a UFO crash at coordinates located in this desert. 497 00:28:07,900 --> 00:28:09,900 Why would there be a fence in the middle of nowhere? 498 00:28:10,900 --> 00:28:11,900 Keep people away from that. 499 00:28:12,900 --> 00:28:13,900 Yeah, look at that. 500 00:28:19,900 --> 00:28:20,900 What the hell is this building? 501 00:28:21,900 --> 00:28:22,900 Yeah, there's another structure up here. 502 00:28:27,900 --> 00:28:29,900 I'm not quite sure what this station is. 503 00:28:29,900 --> 00:28:33,900 We use similar boxes like this on our armories. 504 00:28:33,900 --> 00:28:34,900 It's pretty substantial. 505 00:28:38,900 --> 00:28:41,900 There's another concrete structure which has a door. 506 00:28:41,900 --> 00:28:42,900 You can obviously go inside of it. 507 00:28:42,900 --> 00:28:43,900 There's barbed wire on the door. 508 00:28:43,900 --> 00:28:44,900 There's a door. 509 00:28:44,900 --> 00:28:45,900 There's a door. 510 00:28:45,900 --> 00:28:46,900 There's a door. 511 00:28:46,900 --> 00:28:47,900 There's a door. 512 00:28:47,900 --> 00:28:48,900 There's a door. 513 00:28:48,900 --> 00:28:49,900 There's a door. 514 00:28:49,900 --> 00:28:51,900 There's barbed wire on the top and there's an antenna. 515 00:28:51,900 --> 00:28:53,900 And I can see it's empty. 516 00:28:53,900 --> 00:28:54,900 There's nothing in it. 517 00:28:54,900 --> 00:28:58,900 But whoever constructed it doesn't want anyone from outside going inside. 518 00:29:01,900 --> 00:29:04,900 200 feet down from the building, we got a spillway. 519 00:29:04,900 --> 00:29:07,900 Nick uncovers additional concrete infrastructure. 520 00:29:07,900 --> 00:29:10,900 So it looks like water flow direction is coming from this way. 521 00:29:11,900 --> 00:29:14,900 I mean, this is clearly now a dam. 522 00:29:15,900 --> 00:29:18,900 It's interesting that these coordinates led us to this dam. 523 00:29:18,900 --> 00:29:21,900 I was not expecting to find a dam, especially in the middle of the desert. 524 00:29:22,900 --> 00:29:25,900 So if we want to go the conspiracy theory route, we can go down. 525 00:29:25,900 --> 00:29:27,900 Well, is this some sort of cover up? 526 00:29:27,900 --> 00:29:29,900 Why is everything leading us here? 527 00:29:29,900 --> 00:29:32,900 Is something buried under a dam? 528 00:29:32,900 --> 00:29:34,900 What makes this place so important? 529 00:29:44,900 --> 00:29:49,900 Dreamy draw dam. 530 00:29:49,900 --> 00:29:52,900 Why have all the places, are we here? 531 00:29:52,900 --> 00:29:57,900 Dreamy draw UFO location Phoenix. 532 00:29:57,900 --> 00:29:59,900 Newspaper article. 533 00:29:59,900 --> 00:30:03,900 Local rumor puts dreamy draw at the center of a UFO controversy. 534 00:30:03,900 --> 00:30:05,900 Phoenix residents Selman grave. 535 00:30:05,900 --> 00:30:08,900 He claims a UFO skipped in that area. 536 00:30:08,900 --> 00:30:11,900 That must be the graves on the videotape, right? 537 00:30:11,900 --> 00:30:14,900 We had no idea what we were looking at. 538 00:30:14,900 --> 00:30:20,900 The first thing that we saw was the Air Force sure didn't fly this thing here. 539 00:30:21,900 --> 00:30:24,900 He claims to have witnessed the cleanup of the UFO during that time 540 00:30:24,900 --> 00:30:26,900 in what is now Cave Creek landfill. 541 00:30:27,900 --> 00:30:30,900 Can we see where Cave Creek is in relation to dreamy draw? 542 00:30:30,900 --> 00:30:31,900 Sure. 543 00:30:32,900 --> 00:30:33,900 Right there. 544 00:30:33,900 --> 00:30:34,900 There it is. 545 00:30:35,900 --> 00:30:36,900 All right. 546 00:30:36,900 --> 00:30:38,900 So that article says it came in. 547 00:30:38,900 --> 00:30:39,900 And skipped. 548 00:30:39,900 --> 00:30:41,900 And finishes there. 549 00:30:41,900 --> 00:30:43,900 Here's where Rhodes took the picture. 550 00:30:43,900 --> 00:30:44,900 Here's dreamy draw dam. 551 00:30:44,900 --> 00:30:45,900 Here's Cave Creek landfill. 552 00:30:45,900 --> 00:30:47,900 This is a straight line. 553 00:30:47,900 --> 00:30:49,900 That doesn't strike you as a little odd. 554 00:30:49,900 --> 00:30:54,900 Is it possible that we're looking at a bigger sequence of events here? 555 00:30:54,900 --> 00:30:56,900 William Rhodes photographs an object. 556 00:30:56,900 --> 00:30:59,900 And then we have a sighting of an object touching down at dreamy draw dam 557 00:30:59,900 --> 00:31:02,900 and coming to rest finally at Cave Creek. 558 00:31:02,900 --> 00:31:04,900 The Air Force comes and cleans it up. 559 00:31:04,900 --> 00:31:07,900 And then we have a sighting of an object touching down at dreamy draw dam 560 00:31:07,900 --> 00:31:09,900 and comes and cleans it up. 561 00:31:09,900 --> 00:31:13,900 And then years later, two government structures conveniently pop up 562 00:31:13,900 --> 00:31:16,900 right on top of these locations so that no evidence can be examined. 563 00:31:16,900 --> 00:31:20,900 The investigation in Phoenix turned up some pretty compelling evidence. 564 00:31:20,900 --> 00:31:23,900 Allegiant contact sites in the Arizona desert 565 00:31:23,900 --> 00:31:25,900 buried under two government structures 566 00:31:25,900 --> 00:31:27,900 in an area of the Arizona desert 567 00:31:27,900 --> 00:31:29,900 associated with alleged government cover-ups. 568 00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:32,900 We could be looking at legitimate evidence 569 00:31:32,900 --> 00:31:36,900 of an extraterrestrial UFO in the Arizona desert. 570 00:31:36,900 --> 00:31:38,900 But we have a problem. 571 00:31:38,900 --> 00:31:40,900 It's buried. We can't get to it. 572 00:31:40,900 --> 00:31:46,900 So what we need is to find somewhere that hasn't been covered over. 573 00:31:46,900 --> 00:31:49,900 Evidence of other crashes, of other impacts, other wrecks. 574 00:31:49,900 --> 00:31:50,900 Right. Right. 575 00:31:50,900 --> 00:31:53,900 Let's throw it in LAS and let's take a look. 576 00:31:54,900 --> 00:31:56,900 And let's do it for 25 years. 577 00:31:56,900 --> 00:31:57,900 25 years. 578 00:31:57,900 --> 00:31:59,900 Worldwide. 579 00:31:59,900 --> 00:32:01,900 Worldwide. 580 00:32:03,900 --> 00:32:05,900 Alright, let's see what we get. 581 00:32:07,900 --> 00:32:10,900 489 hits around the entire world. 582 00:32:10,900 --> 00:32:13,900 What's up with the salta, the two top hits? 583 00:32:13,900 --> 00:32:16,900 92% rating on both of those. 584 00:32:16,900 --> 00:32:18,900 Can we pull up this article? 585 00:32:18,900 --> 00:32:22,900 UFO crash bewilders locals. 586 00:32:22,900 --> 00:32:23,900 Look at this. 587 00:32:23,900 --> 00:32:28,900 Multiple witnesses report object plummeting into Argentinian mountain range. 588 00:32:28,900 --> 00:32:30,900 August 17th, 1995. 589 00:32:30,900 --> 00:32:34,900 Metallic, shiny, smooth-shaped object. 590 00:32:34,900 --> 00:32:39,900 Leaving a trail of smoke before crashing and catching fire on a nearby mountain. 591 00:32:39,900 --> 00:32:42,900 Reports from over 300 kilometers away. 592 00:32:43,900 --> 00:32:44,900 That's a long way off. 593 00:32:44,900 --> 00:32:46,900 Where is this location? Salta. 594 00:32:46,900 --> 00:32:47,900 Take a look. 595 00:32:47,900 --> 00:32:50,900 Salta, Argentina. 596 00:32:50,900 --> 00:32:52,900 Alright, so... 597 00:32:52,900 --> 00:32:54,900 This is right on the Chilean border. 598 00:32:54,900 --> 00:32:56,900 Paul and Cowell were just there. 599 00:32:56,900 --> 00:32:59,900 They saw all kinds of UFO activity right on the other side of that border. 600 00:32:59,900 --> 00:33:01,900 This is kind of in the middle of nowhere. 601 00:33:01,900 --> 00:33:04,900 There was a video from that sand crash site. 602 00:33:06,900 --> 00:33:08,900 Look at that. The whole hillside is stripper. 603 00:33:08,900 --> 00:33:10,900 You can see the treeline here. 604 00:33:10,900 --> 00:33:13,900 They wiped every growing thing off the whole side of that mountain. 605 00:33:13,900 --> 00:33:15,900 The scale of it is enormous. 606 00:33:15,900 --> 00:33:21,900 There could be intact debris, chemical signature, something left over from that crash. 607 00:33:21,900 --> 00:33:24,900 Let's send Paul and Cowell and see what they can find. 608 00:33:32,900 --> 00:33:36,900 Alright, so we're going left and around, but then continuing straight. 609 00:33:36,900 --> 00:33:38,900 Wow, this is beautiful. Jesus. 610 00:33:38,900 --> 00:33:42,900 Paul Beben, investigative reporter and Calamale, Green Beret intelligence sergeant, 611 00:33:42,900 --> 00:33:47,900 are in Buenos Aires, Argentina, investigating the crash of an unidentified flying object 612 00:33:47,900 --> 00:33:51,900 in the mountains of Salta on August 17th, 1995. 613 00:33:51,900 --> 00:33:56,900 Got all these eyewitness reports of something crashing in the mountains. 614 00:33:56,900 --> 00:33:58,900 The question is, what happened? 615 00:33:58,900 --> 00:34:03,900 The team is headed to meet with Marta Passe, a journalist who covered the incident. 616 00:34:03,900 --> 00:34:06,900 I reached out to my contacts here in Argentina. 617 00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:10,900 I got in touch with an investigative journalist, one who actually reported on that 95 crash. 618 00:34:10,900 --> 00:34:13,900 Hey Paul, so nice to finally see you in person. 619 00:34:13,900 --> 00:34:18,900 Whatever she knows could be the key to figuring out what really happened up there in Salta. 620 00:34:18,900 --> 00:34:20,900 So how did all this start for you? 621 00:34:20,900 --> 00:34:23,900 At the beginning, I thought it was a joke. 622 00:34:23,900 --> 00:34:28,900 So when she heard about it, they asked her to go and see, go to Salta to see what happened 623 00:34:28,900 --> 00:34:31,900 because there had been UFO sighting. 624 00:34:40,900 --> 00:34:43,900 So I started getting interested and said, okay, I want to go see what's happening. 625 00:34:43,900 --> 00:34:46,900 And what did you see when you got there? 626 00:34:46,900 --> 00:34:47,900 Pasto quemado. 627 00:34:47,900 --> 00:34:53,900 Burnt grass and molten rocks also in the scene, which was very strange. 628 00:34:53,900 --> 00:34:57,900 So I started to ask the people that live in the area what they had seen. 629 00:35:10,900 --> 00:35:12,900 So somebody carted that off? 630 00:35:17,900 --> 00:35:21,900 We knew the story we had to get the first plane. 631 00:35:21,900 --> 00:35:25,900 The same night that we left the Kiosk, it was a horror night 632 00:35:25,900 --> 00:35:30,900 because around 2 in the morning they touched the timbre 633 00:35:30,900 --> 00:35:37,900 and it was Air Force personnel who were asking for the photographic material and the notes. 634 00:35:37,900 --> 00:35:40,900 I didn't have them, I was in the editorial. 635 00:35:47,900 --> 00:35:51,900 And they really intimidated us and we were afraid. 636 00:35:51,900 --> 00:35:55,900 What was the official explanation by authorities given to the public? 637 00:36:07,900 --> 00:36:11,900 I went back to the office and asked if I could go back to Salta or investigate 638 00:36:11,900 --> 00:36:13,900 and they said no to forget about it. 639 00:36:13,900 --> 00:36:16,900 And so I went on with other stories. 640 00:36:17,900 --> 00:36:21,900 The fact that they showed up to her workplace and confiscated all this evidence 641 00:36:21,900 --> 00:36:25,900 and then told her employers to keep her quiet makes me very skeptical that it was just a meteor. 642 00:36:25,900 --> 00:36:27,900 There's something that they're trying to hide here. 643 00:36:27,900 --> 00:36:32,900 There's one person who saw the explosion and they kept that secret because they were kind of frightened 644 00:36:32,900 --> 00:36:36,900 and actually there's been no news about that. 645 00:36:36,900 --> 00:36:41,900 This is a huge lead so we need to link up with this eyewitness and get up there as soon as we can. 646 00:36:41,900 --> 00:36:43,900 This could be a huge break in this case. 647 00:36:43,900 --> 00:36:46,900 And if it was a meteorite we can test for that. 648 00:36:49,900 --> 00:36:51,900 Alright, we're better to go. 649 00:36:51,900 --> 00:36:53,900 This could be the break in this case that we need. 650 00:37:07,900 --> 00:37:08,900 Rick? 651 00:37:08,900 --> 00:37:09,900 Hey, I'm Nick. 652 00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:10,900 Hi, great to meet you. 653 00:37:10,900 --> 00:37:14,900 The team arranges a meeting with Air Force Intelligence agent Rick Doty 654 00:37:14,900 --> 00:37:18,900 who claims he led UFO cover-up campaigns for a decade. 655 00:37:18,900 --> 00:37:21,900 What does the government have to go in by keeping this information secret? 656 00:37:21,900 --> 00:37:25,900 If an incident occurred that the government can't understand, 657 00:37:25,900 --> 00:37:28,900 we're going to do everything we can to disinform because we don't know what it was 658 00:37:28,900 --> 00:37:32,900 and we don't have to tend to making up a story about what they thought it was. 659 00:37:32,900 --> 00:37:35,900 Pretty much just nipping the bud before it gains any steam. 660 00:37:35,900 --> 00:37:42,900 But in actuality, a lot of these sightings that people saw over those years were, in fact, extra-trust them. 661 00:37:42,900 --> 00:37:43,900 We did this. 662 00:37:44,900 --> 00:37:46,900 You've made a career out of disinformation. 663 00:37:46,900 --> 00:37:48,900 How can we trust that you're telling us the truth? 664 00:37:49,900 --> 00:37:50,900 You can't. 665 00:37:50,900 --> 00:37:52,900 But I think that people should know about it. 666 00:37:52,900 --> 00:37:56,900 This is a potential acknowledgement that the US government knows about UFOs. 667 00:37:56,900 --> 00:38:01,900 And by UFOs I mean intelligent life originating from somewhere else. 668 00:38:06,900 --> 00:38:09,900 The US government has been working on this for a long time. 669 00:38:09,900 --> 00:38:13,900 We've been going for hours now, but I'm hoping when we meet Roberto that this is for real, right? 670 00:38:13,900 --> 00:38:17,900 Paul and Kawa are deep in the mountains of Salta, Argentina, 671 00:38:17,900 --> 00:38:23,900 investigating a UFO that reportedly crash-landed in this area on August 17, 1995. 672 00:38:25,900 --> 00:38:28,900 This story is crazy. 673 00:38:28,900 --> 00:38:33,900 A number of people have been told that they were in the same place as the US government. 674 00:38:33,900 --> 00:38:34,900 This is crazy. 675 00:38:34,900 --> 00:38:39,900 A number of people around Salta, Argentina say they saw a UFO go down in the mountains, 676 00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:43,900 followed by the governments reporting the UFOs actually on meteorite. 677 00:38:43,900 --> 00:38:45,900 What really happened up here? 678 00:38:48,900 --> 00:38:54,900 I'm hoping that we'll be able to figure out one way or another whether the official version that this was a meteorite is actually true. 679 00:38:54,900 --> 00:38:55,900 Or is it something else? 680 00:38:55,900 --> 00:38:56,900 Yeah, it's something else completely. 681 00:38:56,900 --> 00:38:58,900 Well, at least we'll be able to get these soil samples. 682 00:38:58,900 --> 00:38:59,900 Right. 683 00:39:00,900 --> 00:39:07,900 Joining them are translator Dario Ameri and geologist from the University of Salta, Jorge Marcuse. 684 00:39:08,900 --> 00:39:13,900 Jorge, so you're going to be able to tell whether this was a meteorite impact or some other object. 685 00:39:24,900 --> 00:39:25,900 That's great. 686 00:39:26,900 --> 00:39:28,900 Must be him. 687 00:39:31,900 --> 00:39:37,900 The team makes contact with Roberto Vignas, a witness who found the location of the crash site. 688 00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:39,900 Dario, come on. 689 00:39:39,900 --> 00:39:40,900 Dario, nice to meet you. 690 00:39:40,900 --> 00:39:41,900 Nice to meet you. 691 00:39:43,900 --> 00:39:45,900 Thank you so much for meeting us up here. 692 00:39:45,900 --> 00:39:48,900 Can you tell us what were you doing that morning? Where were you at? 693 00:39:55,900 --> 00:39:57,900 Just at 9am, we saw a flash. 694 00:40:07,900 --> 00:40:08,900 Fantastic. You can take us there. 695 00:40:08,900 --> 00:40:09,900 Yes, if you don't mind. 696 00:40:09,900 --> 00:40:10,900 Let's do it. 697 00:40:10,900 --> 00:40:11,900 Let's do it. 698 00:40:11,900 --> 00:40:12,900 Great. 699 00:40:15,900 --> 00:40:17,900 So Roberto is our lead. 700 00:40:18,900 --> 00:40:22,900 And I'm just picking up the six and just making sure that no one gets hurt. 701 00:40:23,900 --> 00:40:25,900 Many snakes in these places. 702 00:40:25,900 --> 00:40:26,900 Poisonous? 703 00:40:26,900 --> 00:40:27,900 Yeah. 704 00:40:29,900 --> 00:40:35,900 Roberto leads the team on a five mile trek through the underbrush to the exact location of the crash site. 705 00:40:36,900 --> 00:40:38,900 Starting to open up a little bit. 706 00:40:40,900 --> 00:40:41,900 We're almost there. 707 00:40:44,900 --> 00:40:45,900 Holy s***. 708 00:40:45,900 --> 00:40:46,900 Whoa. 709 00:40:52,900 --> 00:40:54,900 This is the impact area? 710 00:40:54,900 --> 00:40:55,900 Exact, I mean, deep. 711 00:40:58,900 --> 00:41:01,900 It looks black like it's been dead for a long time. 712 00:41:04,900 --> 00:41:06,900 It looks like this place has just been clear cut. 713 00:41:07,900 --> 00:41:08,900 It just doesn't make any sense. 714 00:41:11,900 --> 00:41:12,900 It's just weird. 715 00:41:16,900 --> 00:41:18,900 Next time on Contact. 716 00:41:18,900 --> 00:41:23,900 If this is a crash site of a UFO, I want to hear what they think happened up there. 717 00:41:24,900 --> 00:41:28,900 Foreigners came in four by fours all dressed in black. 718 00:41:28,900 --> 00:41:31,900 Men in black, what were they trying to hide? 719 00:41:32,900 --> 00:41:35,900 If this ring still exists and we can find it. 720 00:41:35,900 --> 00:41:36,900 That's a big deal. 721 00:41:37,900 --> 00:41:38,900 We need to dig down. 722 00:41:38,900 --> 00:41:40,900 Find out exactly what happened to it. 723 00:41:40,900 --> 00:41:44,900 I want to solve the unenergía inespecable. 724 00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:47,900 That's the longest encounter that we've heard of. 725 00:41:47,900 --> 00:41:50,900 All right, well the moment we waited for it, right? 726 00:41:51,900 --> 00:41:55,900 The samples that we have here could contain proof of contact.